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Pandora to close in the UK

Posted on Tuesday, January 8th, 2008 at 2:06 pm. #

Tim Westergren (above) has just sent this email to all users of Pandora in the UK.

I really liked Pandora; and it’s admirable that they are shuttering their service because they can’t achieve a licence, rather than just doing it anyway. It’s disappointing, but the right ethical thing to do. I’ve met Tim Westergren: he’s a very decent bloke. I’ve also met, on a number of occasions, Pandora’s UK MD, Paul Brown. He’s a very decent bloke too. Shame that the record companies just don’t want to know.

The bold bits are my highlights. (You may also like this post).

This is an email I hoped I would never have to send.

As you probably know, in July of 2007 we had to block usage of Pandora outside the U.S. because of the lack of a viable license structure for Internet radio streaming in other countries. It was a terrible day. We did however hold out some hope that a solution might exist for the UK, so we left it unblocked as we worked diligently with the rights organizations to negotiate an economically workable license fee. After over a year of trying, this has proved impossible. Both the PPL (which represents the record labels) and the MCPS/PRS Alliance (which represents music publishers) have demanded per track performance minima rates which are far too high to allow ad supported radio to operate and so, hugely disappointing and depressing to us as it is, we have to block the last territory outside of the US.

It continues to astound me and the rest of the team here that the industry is not working more constructively to support the growth of services that introduce listeners to new music and that are totally supportive of paying fair royalties to the creators of music. I don’t often say such things, but the course being charted by the labels and publishers and their representative organizations is nothing short of disastrous for artists whom they purport to represent – and by that I mean both well known and indie artists. The only consequence of failing to support companies like Pandora that are attempting to build a sustainable radio business for the future will be the continued explosion of piracy, the continued constriction of opportunities for working musicians, and a worsening drought of new music for fans. As a former working musician myself, I find it very troubling.

We have been told to sign these totally unworkable license rates or switch off, non-negotiable…so that is what we are doing. Streaming illegally is just not in our DNA, and we have to take the threats of legal action seriously. Lest you think this is solely an international problem, you should know that we are also fighting for our survival here in the US, in the face of a crushing increase in web radio royalty rates, which if left unchanged, would mean the end of Pandora.

We know what an epicenter of musical creativity and fan support the UK has always been, which makes the prospect of not being able to launch there and having to block our first listeners all the more upsetting for us.

We know there is a lot of support from listeners and artists in the UK for Pandora and remain hopeful that at some point we’ll get beyond this. We’re going to keep fighting for a fair and workable rate structure that will allow us to bring Pandora back to you. We’ll be sure to let you know if Pandora becomes available in the UK. There may well come a day when we need to make a direct appeal for your support to move for governmental intervention as we have in the US. In the meantime, we have no choice but to turn off service to the UK.

Pandora will stop streaming to the UK as of January 15th, 2008.

Again, on behalf of all of us at Pandora, I’m very, very sorry.

Photo: Steven Toomey. Used under licence

12 comments

Chris Thornett
commenting at January 8th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

James,

I’ve set up a petition at No.10 in the hope that some ‘people power’ will push the issue of internet music royalties into the public eye and put some pressure on the likes of the MCPS-PRS and PPL.

Please sign the petition here – http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveNetRadioUK and lets stop this farce together!

William T
commenting at January 8th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

*Very* tenuously – I have been playing with Classic FM’s new “My Music” thing the last couple of nights. A cross between Music Choice and Last.fm… I’m not Martin Belam so you’ll have to make to with a few scribbled notes:

Pros: high sound quality (can’t figure out how to get the exact bitrate) and, crucially, good selection of music. Have been listening to Music for Studying (in the absence of a “Music for coding PHP” option). You can rate each track and composer.

Cons: IE only (and fails in a slightly misleading way in Firefox), you have to register beforehand and they want your postal address. Horrible interface (which gives me a chance to contrast it to a highly elegant Last.fm scrobbling app called ‘Vagalume’ on the N810 internet tablet..)

Helen Blaby
commenting at January 9th, 2008 at 10:40 am

It does seem particularly short sighted of the authorities. I’ve lost count of the number of albums I’ve been out to buy after first hearing something on Pandora.

Michael Walsh
commenting at January 9th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

The Guardian, in their story on this, has a quote:

“An MCPS/PRS spokesman said: “Licences are available for all online and mobile services and the terms applicable to webcasters were set down in the UK last year by an official independent and expert panel know as the Copyright Tribunal. In reaching its determination the panel heard considerable evidence from all sides of the online music business.”"

So the message is – pay up or f*ck off.

Checking Pandora’s claims against the record industry - blog - James Cridland
commenting at January 11th, 2008 at 1:09 am

[...] few days ago, I posted the news that Pandora is closing in the UK. Part of the reasons given [...]

Dan
commenting at January 16th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Thank heavens for proxy servers.

Fraser
commenting at January 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

I’ve signed the petition and circulated the link. Although I can’t help thinking that it won’t make a blind bit of difference anyway but we have to try.

Tried accessing Pandora via proxy servers but it doesn’t seem to work. Has anyone had any success doing this, if so can you recommend a service?

doctorvee » Music became cheaper today
commenting at January 24th, 2008 at 1:18 am

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Phil Yockney
commenting at December 19th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

It’s a year since we lost Pandora in the UK now..well almost.

I’m beginning to feel a little peeved at the loss of this service and not at the music companies oddly enough.

Pandora need to think a little more of their subscriber customers and release a different charging model for uk customers. They’ve said that people didn’t want to pay as littl as $3 a month..but that’s because you could stream Pandora, for free, on streaming devices like the Squeezebox, with no difference to a subscriber !

The adverts even on the web browser were so much in the background, there was no incentive to suscribe.

I’d happily pay £10 a month to get Pandora back.

a nony mouse
commenting at December 19th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

Meanwhile…those who lost Pandora will use BitTorrent to get their random music and the music industry loose out even more.

Talk about biting off your nose to spite your face.

Jonas McGregor
commenting at October 2nd, 2011 at 12:04 pm

@Phil Yockney

A tad late I know, but I read this post when looking to get the dust of my Squeezebox again. After seeking and trying a zillion combinations I came across Globalpandora.

No need to say I am as happy as a kid on XMas eve, streaming Pandora again on my Squeezebox!!!

Cheers,
Jonas

Phil Yockney
commenting at November 3rd, 2011 at 9:17 pm

@Jonas – thanks, but I’m not paying for a service, to get a service that I have to pay for !

Pandora still missed.

I now use LastFM which is good, but not that good, but they’re getting my money, Pandora isn’t.

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