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	<title>Comments on: DAB Digital Radio in the UK, Italy, and Denmark</title>
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		<title>By: Phil Challis</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-37963</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Challis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When DAB first came out the sets were very expensive but they have reduced in price. DAB has not grown in popularity as expected and therefore the manufacturers are not achieving economies of scale.  I believe that the lack of a common standard throughout europe hinders growth.  You only have to consider Betamax and the standard becoming VHS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When DAB first came out the sets were very expensive but they have reduced in price. DAB has not grown in popularity as expected and therefore the manufacturers are not achieving economies of scale.  I believe that the lack of a common standard throughout europe hinders growth.  You only have to consider Betamax and the standard becoming VHS.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Minchin</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-37016</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Minchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G&#039;day from an Australia currently grappling with the new technology!!! ITS A WINNER, as:

(1) Every major commercial and ABC (state broadcaster) network has got on board, with simulcast services in the five major markets (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth);

(2) Tangible promises of even more stations to come, with the community sector guaranteed to have a share (currently in Sydney - where I&#039;m writing from - you get a choice of around 30 stations);

(3) Major retail chains such as Harvey Norman and Dick Smith getting right behind sales initiatives for sets;

(4) Masts for DAB+ stations being placed at the top of very high FM / TV towers, guaranteeing optimum reception (even though, yes, you get the odd &quot;Max Headroom&quot; effect for those of us who remember the stuttering 80&#039;s TV icon);

(5) Reception often being better for AM&#039;ers in DAB+ mode than in AM mode (we all know of the experience of storms ruining our AM reception - not with DIGITAL!!!);

(6) Promotional days being held in public spaces such as Sydney&#039;s popular Martin Plaza, featuring pop bands and gorilla suited men to win over the kids to the new band;

(7) Announcers freely talking about the technology and inviting callers with DAB+ sets (like me) to ring them and bore everyone silly by going on about how much choice and quality these new stations have;

(8) The new anticipation of markets being excitingly challenged and new stars being made out of the technology (such as Gorilla brekky announcer Mike Goldman); and

(9) The chance to contour reception footprints more fully, and get around FM bands being totally full (as they pretty much are in the five major Aussie radio markets!!!)

DAB IS HERE TO STAY!!! AND ITS FAST GAINING FRIENDS IN THE LAND DOWN UNDER!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day from an Australia currently grappling with the new technology!!! ITS A WINNER, as:</p>
<p>(1) Every major commercial and ABC (state broadcaster) network has got on board, with simulcast services in the five major markets (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth);</p>
<p>(2) Tangible promises of even more stations to come, with the community sector guaranteed to have a share (currently in Sydney &#8211; where I&#8217;m writing from &#8211; you get a choice of around 30 stations);</p>
<p>(3) Major retail chains such as Harvey Norman and Dick Smith getting right behind sales initiatives for sets;</p>
<p>(4) Masts for DAB+ stations being placed at the top of very high FM / TV towers, guaranteeing optimum reception (even though, yes, you get the odd &#8220;Max Headroom&#8221; effect for those of us who remember the stuttering 80&#8242;s TV icon);</p>
<p>(5) Reception often being better for AM&#8217;ers in DAB+ mode than in AM mode (we all know of the experience of storms ruining our AM reception &#8211; not with DIGITAL!!!);</p>
<p>(6) Promotional days being held in public spaces such as Sydney&#8217;s popular Martin Plaza, featuring pop bands and gorilla suited men to win over the kids to the new band;</p>
<p>(7) Announcers freely talking about the technology and inviting callers with DAB+ sets (like me) to ring them and bore everyone silly by going on about how much choice and quality these new stations have;</p>
<p>(8) The new anticipation of markets being excitingly challenged and new stars being made out of the technology (such as Gorilla brekky announcer Mike Goldman); and</p>
<p>(9) The chance to contour reception footprints more fully, and get around FM bands being totally full (as they pretty much are in the five major Aussie radio markets!!!)</p>
<p>DAB IS HERE TO STAY!!! AND ITS FAST GAINING FRIENDS IN THE LAND DOWN UNDER!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-36553</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably too late to leave this comment now ...but for me the big problem with DAB is that we are being offered something of worse quality than FM, and not given any &#039;choice&#039; about it. 

This is not a purely subjective point, as the DAB supporters will pretend. The digital bit rates in the UK are very low, especially for the pop stations. It doesn&#039;t have to be so bad - but so long as commercial interests put profit before quality then it won&#039;t improve.

Sad, but there it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably too late to leave this comment now &#8230;but for me the big problem with DAB is that we are being offered something of worse quality than FM, and not given any &#8216;choice&#8217; about it. </p>
<p>This is not a purely subjective point, as the DAB supporters will pretend. The digital bit rates in the UK are very low, especially for the pop stations. It doesn&#8217;t have to be so bad &#8211; but so long as commercial interests put profit before quality then it won&#8217;t improve.</p>
<p>Sad, but there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Orwin</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-35804</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Orwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Mark Smiths comments on Community Radio on DAB. 

My colleagues and I here at RadioScape have come up with a number of proposals to deliver the capability for community Radio to access the technology - but have to date not received the backing to continue. 

The feed back I received being that there was not sufficiant interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Mark Smiths comments on Community Radio on DAB. </p>
<p>My colleagues and I here at RadioScape have come up with a number of proposals to deliver the capability for community Radio to access the technology &#8211; but have to date not received the backing to continue. </p>
<p>The feed back I received being that there was not sufficiant interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Community stations can&#039;t easily access DAB without entering into expensive licensing arrangements with the multiplex contractors.  You can&#039;t just put up an DAB transmitter like you can FM (albeit with an OFCOM licence).  OFCOM are only offering two FM frequencies in the whole of inner London for community stations like ours, which is scandalous. If we had decent access to DAB then that would be a start but it is far too geared up for large broadcasters covering a big area.  There is little democracy here and it&#039;s no wonder that smaller niche stations are going to the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Community stations can&#8217;t easily access DAB without entering into expensive licensing arrangements with the multiplex contractors.  You can&#8217;t just put up an DAB transmitter like you can FM (albeit with an OFCOM licence).  OFCOM are only offering two FM frequencies in the whole of inner London for community stations like ours, which is scandalous. If we had decent access to DAB then that would be a start but it is far too geared up for large broadcasters covering a big area.  There is little democracy here and it&#8217;s no wonder that smaller niche stations are going to the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cridland</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, I don&#039;t know about Grant, but character assassinations won&#039;t help on this blog. At best, it will look as if I&#039;m attacking his views: at worst, he might accuse me of defamation, since so allow your comments to be published. 

Probably best that if you have any allegations, you publish these yourself, rather than use my blog.

I don&#039;t agree with a Grant&#039;s views, but that&#039;s no excuse for some personal attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, I don&#8217;t know about Grant, but character assassinations won&#8217;t help on this blog. At best, it will look as if I&#8217;m attacking his views: at worst, he might accuse me of defamation, since so allow your comments to be published. </p>
<p>Probably best that if you have any allegations, you publish these yourself, rather than use my blog.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with a Grant&#8217;s views, but that&#8217;s no excuse for some personal attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bev MARKS</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-35788</link>
		<dc:creator>Bev MARKS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it help if I try and decode some of the TLAs and other words from the RAI Way presentation?

TPEG uses many three letter abbreviations (TLAs) and these are given with full explanation in the TISA (Traveller Information Services Association) Guideline (TAWG 09030)titled: &quot;TPEG Nomenclature and Abbreviations - April 2009&quot;.  This publication is intended for Members only, but I can give a sneak post-view comment from it, having authored the content!

TPEG = Transport Protocol Expert Group (pronounced &quot;T-Peg&quot;)

Currently published TPEG applications (Binary data physical format)include:
TPEG-RTM = Road Traffic Messages
TPEG-LOC = Location referencing for applications
TPEG-PTI = Public Transport Information
TPEG-SNI = Service and Network Information
TPEG-TEC = Traffic Event Compact

TISA is currently working on a number of new applications:
TPEG-PKI = Parking Information
TPEG-CAI = Conditional Access Information
TPEG-FPI = Fuel price Information
TPEG=SPI = Speed Information
TPEG-WEA = Weather Information
etc

TISA has a number of Use Case Proposals for yet more TPEG applications, which will be developed in the near future.

Maybe that helps to see that TPEG is quite wide ranging in its focus for applications.

IsoRadio = using a single frequency FM channel on autostrada from multiple transmitter sites</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it help if I try and decode some of the TLAs and other words from the RAI Way presentation?</p>
<p>TPEG uses many three letter abbreviations (TLAs) and these are given with full explanation in the TISA (Traveller Information Services Association) Guideline (TAWG 09030)titled: &#8220;TPEG Nomenclature and Abbreviations &#8211; April 2009&#8243;.  This publication is intended for Members only, but I can give a sneak post-view comment from it, having authored the content!</p>
<p>TPEG = Transport Protocol Expert Group (pronounced &#8220;T-Peg&#8221;)</p>
<p>Currently published TPEG applications (Binary data physical format)include:<br />
TPEG-RTM = Road Traffic Messages<br />
TPEG-LOC = Location referencing for applications<br />
TPEG-PTI = Public Transport Information<br />
TPEG-SNI = Service and Network Information<br />
TPEG-TEC = Traffic Event Compact</p>
<p>TISA is currently working on a number of new applications:<br />
TPEG-PKI = Parking Information<br />
TPEG-CAI = Conditional Access Information<br />
TPEG-FPI = Fuel price Information<br />
TPEG=SPI = Speed Information<br />
TPEG-WEA = Weather Information<br />
etc</p>
<p>TISA has a number of Use Case Proposals for yet more TPEG applications, which will be developed in the near future.</p>
<p>Maybe that helps to see that TPEG is quite wide ranging in its focus for applications.</p>
<p>IsoRadio = using a single frequency FM channel on autostrada from multiple transmitter sites</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Durrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Durrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I have removed much of this comment after a complaint on 15th July by Grant Goddard - James).

The trouble with the radio industry is they keep giving him a platform.  When will it learn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I have removed much of this comment after a complaint on 15th July by Grant Goddard &#8211; James).</p>
<p>The trouble with the radio industry is they keep giving him a platform.  When will it learn?</p>
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		<title>By: John Handelaar</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-35785</link>
		<dc:creator>John Handelaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And TV used to think it had it bad, with only three competing TX formats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And TV used to think it had it bad, with only three competing TX formats.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cridland</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-35783</link>
		<dc:creator>James Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per: the EBU have achieved a significant win with their pan-European digital receiver profiles; and they are a union, not an authority. Having said that, that&#039;s an interesting viewpoint.

Roger: I can&#039;t pretend I see eye to eye with all of Grant&#039;s views; however, from this viewpoint, much of what Grant says is true - not substandard nor flawed. It does occur to me that his challenges might contradict each other - compare challenge 8 (&quot;people don&#039;t want choice&quot;) with 12,13,14 (&quot;there isn&#039;t enough choice&quot;). The point is that the technology isn&#039;t at fault here - it&#039;s the industry. And I hope the people here understand that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per: the EBU have achieved a significant win with their pan-European digital receiver profiles; and they are a union, not an authority. Having said that, that&#8217;s an interesting viewpoint.</p>
<p>Roger: I can&#8217;t pretend I see eye to eye with all of Grant&#8217;s views; however, from this viewpoint, much of what Grant says is true &#8211; not substandard nor flawed. It does occur to me that his challenges might contradict each other &#8211; compare challenge 8 (&#8220;people don&#8217;t want choice&#8221;) with 12,13,14 (&#8220;there isn&#8217;t enough choice&#8221;). The point is that the technology isn&#8217;t at fault here &#8211; it&#8217;s the industry. And I hope the people here understand that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Devlin</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-35782</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Devlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21 challenges! Some are valid, others aren&#039;t... my thoughts on a select few.

Certainly #15 is spot on for the voluntary sector of radio, £50k+ (if memory serves me correctly) is simply too much compared to approx. £2k for an FM community/LPFM license.

I agree with you James on #19, it allows for a possible switch-off of FM in the future but allowing easy migration to DAB.

As for #16 as soon as Apple make an iPod DAB radio remote... sorted!

#21: the voluntary/community sector.  Since OFCOM started licensing FM/AM frequencies for community stations it&#039;ll be a brave person to then force them to jump to DAB transmission considering the new (and more expensive) outlay for equipment.

I&#039;ll save my thoughts on the other points because he&#039;s missed the biggie: car radio.  I don&#039;t see radio switching over to digital until there&#039;s significant (50%+) in-car switchover... and it would also be nice to have one single digital radio standard in the EU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21 challenges! Some are valid, others aren&#8217;t&#8230; my thoughts on a select few.</p>
<p>Certainly #15 is spot on for the voluntary sector of radio, £50k+ (if memory serves me correctly) is simply too much compared to approx. £2k for an FM community/LPFM license.</p>
<p>I agree with you James on #19, it allows for a possible switch-off of FM in the future but allowing easy migration to DAB.</p>
<p>As for #16 as soon as Apple make an iPod DAB radio remote&#8230; sorted!</p>
<p>#21: the voluntary/community sector.  Since OFCOM started licensing FM/AM frequencies for community stations it&#8217;ll be a brave person to then force them to jump to DAB transmission considering the new (and more expensive) outlay for equipment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll save my thoughts on the other points because he&#8217;s missed the biggie: car radio.  I don&#8217;t see radio switching over to digital until there&#8217;s significant (50%+) in-car switchover&#8230; and it would also be nice to have one single digital radio standard in the EU.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Durrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Durrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant Gooddard styles himself &quot;Radio Expert.  Who is he kidding?  His analysis is substandard and flawed, his agenda is so biased it is unbelievable.  Why on earth the EBU invited him is beyond me.
As someone else recently said, Stop carping Grant and be part of the solution not the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant Gooddard styles himself &#8220;Radio Expert.  Who is he kidding?  His analysis is substandard and flawed, his agenda is so biased it is unbelievable.  Why on earth the EBU invited him is beyond me.<br />
As someone else recently said, Stop carping Grant and be part of the solution not the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Per G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Per G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Challenge n:o one: a more active EBU issuing recommendations to all its members to start digital broadcasts, to start plannning switchovers from FM to DAB, to work towards a paneuropean coverage, to ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Challenge n:o one: a more active EBU issuing recommendations to all its members to start digital broadcasts, to start plannning switchovers from FM to DAB, to work towards a paneuropean coverage, to &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bev MARKS</title>
		<link>http://james.cridland.net/blog/dab-digital-radio-in-the-uk-italy-and-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-35779</link>
		<dc:creator>Bev MARKS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes 9=11 and true: DAB coverage, thus reception is no where near as good as FM, so what hope is the question I have posed several times before in various forums?  Ofcom and BBC et al have to sort out before any hope of wow factor reception in portable radios. In the meantime new DAB Tx sites all over the place does not help the fundamental need for working out power levels needed to deliver satisfactory signal strength at 1 metre above ground level where radio is best as a mobile medium for &quot;walk-radios&quot;/phones with DAB receivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes 9=11 and true: DAB coverage, thus reception is no where near as good as FM, so what hope is the question I have posed several times before in various forums?  Ofcom and BBC et al have to sort out before any hope of wow factor reception in portable radios. In the meantime new DAB Tx sites all over the place does not help the fundamental need for working out power levels needed to deliver satisfactory signal strength at 1 metre above ground level where radio is best as a mobile medium for &#8220;walk-radios&#8221;/phones with DAB receivers.</p>
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