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More secure Google Apps for Your Domain

Posted on Monday, March 24th, 2008 at 12:23am. #

I’ve run a mailserver for quite some time, which comes with its good points (nice customised error messages, additional spamassassin, address rewriting) and with its bad points (it falls over occasionally). It also handles a seemingly huge amount of mail - all the mail for @cridland.net (which has around 20 people on it) and all the mail for @mediauk.com. Because I’m fairly free with my address, and because Media UK started life as a domain over ten years ago, I get two or three emails a second, every minute of the day - virtually all of them spam, and virtually all of them dictionary attacks.

Even before leaving CIX, I had started using the bullet-proof email from spamcop.net: coming complete with a (rather hacked) version of Horde webmail and a decent IMAP account. It was quite a passable webmail system, but I found myself oscillating between webmail and mail on something like Outlook Express for some time. I think I finally stopped using Outlook when the first Outlook worms came out.

On 14 June 2004, I joined Gmail; and very quickly realised that this was better than the email software I was using. (I know this because Gmail’s still kept that first message). Fairly quickly, I pointed my @cridland.net email address, and Media UK’s, to Gmail instead - particularly when they allowed you to “send as” a different email address.

Earlier this year, I left Gmail; and moved over to Google Apps for My Domain. After a lot of looking and prodding, I’ve managed to configure it so that my own @cridland email comes to Google, while everything else passes through quite comfortably to my own mailserver. It also migrated all my old mail over from the old gmail.com to my new @cridland.net address, so searches still find my old emails. It’s all working splendidly. It’s the premium product, so I’m paying £25 a year for this privilege; and it’s all working pretty well so far, bar a few initial hitches.

Anyway, the point of this message was just to point out that, just like Gmail, you can change the “http” at the front of the address to “https”, and it makes everything nice and secure for you. “https” encrypts your web traffic so that even your IT people can’t snoop into your own email.

Life is slightly different in GAFYD. Yes, you get a secure interface in exactly the same way, but Google also gives you a user-configurable domain like http://webmail.cridland.net/ which you can’t simply change to start “https” instead. After a few days’ scratching heads, I’ve discovered a simple and magic solution: host “webmail.cridland.net” myself and, through one line of PHP, point my browser to the https:// version. Excellent, that works nicely.

PS: An unintended but quite useful benefit of Google Apps is that I can now use my real email address on Google Talk. So, for those of you with my @gmail address in Google Talk or Jabber, feel free to delete it and put instead my proper email address, which is my first name @cridland.net.

Photo: kk+ from Vancouver fashion and portrait photography. Used under licence.

5 comments

Frankie Roberto said at March 24th, 2008 at 3:41pm

How did you manage to migrate your Gmail account to your GAFYD account? I never managed that, and so occassionally I’ve found myself having to go back and search my old Gmail account (which was being redirected to).

Also, GAFYD is free for me - what are you having to pay for?

The only slightly glitch I’ve noticed is that your GAFYD e-mail address can also become your Google Account (for Google Reader, Google Analytics, Google Search History, etc), however I seem to have 2 Google Docs accounts, one at docs.google.com, and one at docs.google.com/a/frankieroberto.com. However, they’re both associated with the SAME e-mail address (the first with my e-mail address as a Google Account, and the second with my e-mail address as a GAFYD account). Which can be pretty confusing…

James Cridland said at March 24th, 2008 at 4:48pm

The paid-for version (I’m paying for email passthru to my old server) also has an email migration service. Point it at any IMAP account, and it just sucks the info in…

(Clue: you can go “premium” for less than 30 days for free, then cancel. Easily enough to pull all your email in.)

Annoyingly, there’s no easy way to migrate Google Docs, etc, over.

And yes, the Google Account thing is highly complicated. I should get a Google Account under my email address (I have one, actually, just need to remember the password)…

Nick said at March 24th, 2008 at 8:22pm

I moved my domain to Google last week. Wasn’t too complicated, as the instructions were good.

Biggest problem is that Google Reader isn’t available under as an App…can only have it via a Google Account. And you can’t have an Account and Apps open at the same time cause the cookie gets confused.

Other prob is that there isn’t a clever way of syncing your Google Calendar to your phone’s native calendar. I’ve got a bodge by syncing my phone to Outlook via Activesync, and then syncing Outlook to Google, using Google’s Outlook sync exe program. (which isn’t clever enough to know what’s new and what’s not, so scans the whole calendar before syncing)

Otherwise, I agree. Mail is great.

Frankie Roberto said at March 24th, 2008 at 11:21pm

@Nick you can have Account and Apps open at the same time - just use your Google Apps e-mail address as your Google Account. It only gets confusing for applications that are available with both types of login (ie Google Docs).

You’re right about syncing the calendar though - it’s not that easy. There do seem to be third-party services around, but I’ve not used them. Interestingly, Google seem to have recently tried to integrate the calendar with the mail services more closely.

@James might give that importing-via-IMAP a go. Seems a ridiculous hack though - should be an option to migrate/merge Gmail accounts.

Frankie

Nick said at March 24th, 2008 at 11:46pm

Frankie…I tried logging into Google Accounts with my Apps login. Couldn’t get in. Apps logins are not the same as Account logins.

Seems odd that they haven’t put Reader into Apps. Or maps. There are a number of other things too that aren’t available in Apps. I know it’s all Beta, but sometime it’s got to become proper.

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