Comments on: Pandora - only available to the US. Or not. http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/ Radio, broadcasting, websites, and beer. Possibly. Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:26:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Matthew Keenan http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13762 Matthew Keenan Mon, 28 May 2007 21:04:29 +0000 http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13762 I've heard that quite a few people are getting around the Pandora restrictions using sites like http://tools.rosinstrument.com/cgi-proxy.htm to hide their IP addresses. It amazes me that companies still think they can put restrictions on what they offer on the Internet as the more you try to restrict something, the more people will go out of their way to get around the restrictions. In a similar move, Clear Channel restrict listening from outside the United States to their 500+ radio stations, but there are plenty of ways to get around this and skip the ads in the annoying pop-up players. Companies like these need to figure out how to capitalise on their global audinence and not shut them out, while PPL organisations and the like need to realise that global exposure of artists can lead to greater sales which may outweigh the royalties that they missed out on. I’ve heard that quite a few people are getting around the Pandora restrictions using sites like http://tools.rosinstrument.com/cgi-proxy.htm to hide their IP addresses. It amazes me that companies still think they can put restrictions on what they offer on the Internet as the more you try to restrict something, the more people will go out of their way to get around the restrictions. In a similar move, Clear Channel restrict listening from outside the United States to their 500+ radio stations, but there are plenty of ways to get around this and skip the ads in the annoying pop-up players. Companies like these need to figure out how to capitalise on their global audinence and not shut them out, while PPL organisations and the like need to realise that global exposure of artists can lead to greater sales which may outweigh the royalties that they missed out on.

]]> By: James Cridland http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13750 James Cridland Sun, 27 May 2007 21:56:01 +0000 http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13750 <I>And in the EU, at least, EU competition rules mean that you’re theoretically allowed to buy reciprocal licences from the PPL equivalents in other countries, which may or may not be cheaper.</i> Frankie - PPL will cheerfully sell you a licence to broadcast in Spain under the IFPI reciprocal agreement. Curious, then, that Spain hasn't a licence to sell you if you go direct. And in the EU, at least, EU competition rules mean that you’re theoretically allowed to buy reciprocal licences from the PPL equivalents in other countries, which may or may not be cheaper.

Frankie - PPL will cheerfully sell you a licence to broadcast in Spain under the IFPI reciprocal agreement. Curious, then, that Spain hasn’t a licence to sell you if you go direct.

]]> By: Frankie Roberto http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13749 Frankie Roberto Sun, 27 May 2007 21:54:10 +0000 http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13749 "if you want to broadcast worldwide, you have no need to fear PPL… just every single equivalent of PPL in every single territory worldwide." Although PPL sign reciprocal agreements with their equivalents in other countries. And in the EU, at least, EU competition rules mean that you're theoretically allowed to buy reciprocal licences from the PPL equivalents in other countries, which may or may not be cheaper. But the T&Cs are pretty harsh. And it's a per-song-per-stream charge. And you still have to buy a licence for the composition (from PRS). In short, it's a bloody nightmare, and I suspect that few online music broadcasters comply fully. “if you want to broadcast worldwide, you have no need to fear PPL… just every single equivalent of PPL in every single territory worldwide.”

Although PPL sign reciprocal agreements with their equivalents in other countries. And in the EU, at least, EU competition rules mean that you’re theoretically allowed to buy reciprocal licences from the PPL equivalents in other countries, which may or may not be cheaper. But the T&Cs are pretty harsh. And it’s a per-song-per-stream charge. And you still have to buy a licence for the composition (from PRS).

In short, it’s a bloody nightmare, and I suspect that few online music broadcasters comply fully.

]]> By: Nick Piggott http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13748 Nick Piggott Sun, 27 May 2007 21:16:05 +0000 http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13748 Still working fine here in Bristol, which I know is reported in the GeoIP database as being "Bristol, UK". As opposed to Bristol, MA. I hope Pandora are ready to cough up for retrospective royalty payments. It's rather unreasonable to get a very long free-lunch when others (who play more fairly by the rules) are having to pay from day one. Still working fine here in Bristol, which I know is reported in the GeoIP database as being “Bristol, UK”. As opposed to Bristol, MA.

I hope Pandora are ready to cough up for retrospective royalty payments. It’s rather unreasonable to get a very long free-lunch when others (who play more fairly by the rules) are having to pay from day one.

]]> By: Dave Fitzpatrick http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13747 Dave Fitzpatrick Sun, 27 May 2007 20:25:34 +0000 http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/05/27/pandora-only-available-to-the-us-or-not/#comment-13747 Hi According to an interview with Tim Westergren (sp?)of Pandora on a recent PCPro podcast, they are continuing to allow UK addresses at the moment. Apparently, though this is still "illegal" they are in negotiations and hope to come to some sort of agreement with UK authorities. He didn't specify who he meant or when this might happen. Dave Hi

According to an interview with Tim Westergren (sp?)of Pandora on a recent PCPro podcast, they are continuing to allow UK addresses at the moment. Apparently, though this is still “illegal” they are in negotiations and hope to come to some sort of agreement with UK authorities. He didn’t specify who he meant or when this might happen.

Dave

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