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Pandora - only available to the US. Or not.

Posted on Sunday, May 27th, 2007 at 7:49pm. #

BBC News reported:

From Thursday 3 May, Pandora will check a listener’s country of origin by looking at their computer’s IP address - the unique number which will identify the country in which the PC has connected to the net. Mounting pressure from record labels has forced the company to stop streaming music to countries where licensing deals have not been agreed.

Techcrunch reported:

If you live outside of the U.S. and enjoy listening to customized radio stations on Pandora, brace yourself for some bad news. The site will be shutting you out starting Thursday evening. Registered users who access the service from outside the U.S. received a warning email yesterday letting them know that this will be happening.

It seemed that Pandora was dead for those of us outside the land of the “free”. Pandora says at the bottom of every page that it’s “currently for US listening only”, and links to the FAQ saying so. The UK appears not to be a special case.

Which is why I find it a little odd that I can listen at work (an IP address that comes out of Glasgow or London, depending on when I log on), and at home (an IP address which comes out of London). I’m not using any silly proxies; just connecting as normal. I’ve been listening recently to it for six or seven hours a day - without any problem.

In April last year, most commercial radio stations were forced by PPL to stop broadcasting outside of the UK. Phil Riley from Chrysalis Radio spoke for many of us when he said, at the Radio 3.0 event a few weeks ago, that if his stations were “playing by the rules”*, he found it slightly irritating that non-UK stations were also available, unfettered, into the UK.

Do you have access to Pandora? I’d be really interested to know. Of course, you need a US zip code to sign up, which is where you need to remember that high-school soap from the 1980s called, cough, Beverley Hills 902… well, I’ll not give it all away.

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* As an aside, PPL’s website defines PPL as “a music industry organisation collecting and distributing airplay and public performance royalties in the UK”. In the UK. Not anywhere else. So, while they have full rights to levy fees on non-UK internet broadcasters who are audible in the UK, they have no rights, whatsoever, to control any music user’s use of music outside of the UK. So, if you want to broadcast worldwide, you have no need to fear PPL… just every single equivalent of PPL in every single territory worldwide.

5 comments

Dave Fitzpatrick said at May 27th, 2007 at 8:25pm

Hi

According to an interview with Tim Westergren (sp?)of Pandora on a recent PCPro podcast, they are continuing to allow UK addresses at the moment. Apparently, though this is still “illegal” they are in negotiations and hope to come to some sort of agreement with UK authorities. He didn’t specify who he meant or when this might happen.

Dave

Nick Piggott said at May 27th, 2007 at 9:16pm

Still working fine here in Bristol, which I know is reported in the GeoIP database as being “Bristol, UK”. As opposed to Bristol, MA.

I hope Pandora are ready to cough up for retrospective royalty payments. It’s rather unreasonable to get a very long free-lunch when others (who play more fairly by the rules) are having to pay from day one.

Frankie Roberto said at May 27th, 2007 at 9:54pm

“if you want to broadcast worldwide, you have no need to fear PPL… just every single equivalent of PPL in every single territory worldwide.”

Although PPL sign reciprocal agreements with their equivalents in other countries. And in the EU, at least, EU competition rules mean that you’re theoretically allowed to buy reciprocal licences from the PPL equivalents in other countries, which may or may not be cheaper. But the T&Cs are pretty harsh. And it’s a per-song-per-stream charge. And you still have to buy a licence for the composition (from PRS).

In short, it’s a bloody nightmare, and I suspect that few online music broadcasters comply fully.

James Cridland said at May 27th, 2007 at 9:56pm

And in the EU, at least, EU competition rules mean that you’re theoretically allowed to buy reciprocal licences from the PPL equivalents in other countries, which may or may not be cheaper.

Frankie - PPL will cheerfully sell you a licence to broadcast in Spain under the IFPI reciprocal agreement. Curious, then, that Spain hasn’t a licence to sell you if you go direct.

Matthew Keenan said at May 28th, 2007 at 9:04pm

I’ve heard that quite a few people are getting around the Pandora restrictions using sites like http://tools.rosinstrument.com/cgi-proxy.htm to hide their IP addresses. It amazes me that companies still think they can put restrictions on what they offer on the Internet as the more you try to restrict something, the more people will go out of their way to get around the restrictions. In a similar move, Clear Channel restrict listening from outside the United States to their 500+ radio stations, but there are plenty of ways to get around this and skip the ads in the annoying pop-up players. Companies like these need to figure out how to capitalise on their global audinence and not shut them out, while PPL organisations and the like need to realise that global exposure of artists can lead to greater sales which may outweigh the royalties that they missed out on.

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